insight and information, and then all the little details and little pieces will all fit in nicely because you understand what they're trying to accomplish. And if a client has this idea that they want something that you know can't be delivered, at least you can have that conversation with them early on and everybody will benefit from that.
David Shove-Brown [32:50] Well, and sometimes, too, somebody can come to you with a preconceived notion of what that thing is that we're designing. And we're not a drafting service, right? If you want somebody to just do what you want to just draft, that’s great, then hire us. But for us, let's look at it from a different angle, or let's look at it from a different perspective. And sometimes we have clients who are like, I never thought about that, that's completely backward to what we thought about but it works. Maybe you end up with exactly what you thought but maybe you don't. Maybe you have a route that's a little bit more interesting and you find something along the way. Randy Wilburn [33:27] And I think that to me is the difference between a really good design firm and design firm leadership that operates in our strong active listeners, especially when engaging with the client. Because they can make that whole creative process really enjoyable between the creative process and the actual end result. You have some projects that you just can't wait for them to go away, and you have others that you're like, I wish this would just keep going on because this has been so enjoyable and that's really how it should be.
David Shove-Brown [33:59] I mean, if you get the right project, not even during the design process, but through construction and after they're open and things like that, where people call on you. It's really awesome what you did there and that to me is really incredible.
Randy Wilburn [34:14] It absolutely is. Well, David, I want to land this plane and I want to basically find out from you what your thoughts are between you and your partner. How bullish are you guys about the future? I don't know what your backlog is. I don't know what your client list is right now, but how bullish are you for the future? Given everything else that's going on, we're coming out of the pandemic, unfortunately, we have this whole Ukraine situation going on, and so, life still happens, right? But how excited are you guys about the future for //3877 and just for the designing of really great architectural and landscape architectural projects?
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