205 - TZL - David Shove-Brown

Randy Wilburn [2:23] Oh my gosh. It’s all good. I really appreciate that. One of the things that we've done historically with the Zweig Letter Podcast and we've done it for over 200 episodes. Whenever we have somebody that is not a known entity to our audience from the vantage point of being part of the Zweig Group, we always like to ask them what their superhero origin story is. So I would love for you just to share a little bit about yourself and your background. And I know we have a couple of things in common because of where you went to college and where I spent my summers with my grandparents there in Washington, DC. So I would love for you just to give the Zweig Letter audience the cliff note version of David from a superhero perspective. David Shove-Brown [3:08] From a superhero perspective. I don't know if I got that. So I was an Army brat. My sister and I were born in Panama and then we moved to the States and then moved around a bunch, and we ended up in New England when my father got out of the service. I started to look at colleges and high school and did the whole where the heck do I want to be and found Catholic UNDC which sort of shocked everybody because well, I'm not Catholic, and I'm not sure that anybody would ever describe me as super pious. So, found the school, loved the city, came down here for college and never left. And from there, I've had a bit of a little sort of circuitous route to get to where I am in my career with some time in academia, some time working on my own, working for firms, and things like that. So, I'm not that different from my folks who had sort of different careers as they evolved so I think the mixture of all these different experiences have sort of culminated in this one thing that brings myself and my business partner Dave Tracz, who was a college classmate and best friend together. And I think for us, it's really driven us to create this cool melting pot of different people with different backgrounds and different experiences to just do good work. Randy Wilburn [4:22] It's so funny you say that. As I was reading a little bit about some of your experiences, you had a very unique story to tell about a very pivotal moment in your early career before you actually even got into architecture where you were looking down the barrel of a gun called biology class. And it really challenged you and honestly, your challenge was being collective, those of us that have been able to see the work that you've created over the years of your career have been our benefit because of some advice that your mother gave you ultimately helped you pivot into a whole different career and focus.

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