David Shove-Brown [5:01] Well, the funny part about that whole story is, I talked about the biology class, and going to my college or my counselor for high school and I brought it up. And, several months later, I was with my parents and my mom said, I don't remember that. This is such a major earth-changing thing for me. My kid is at home trying to learn the periodic table, and I'm like, I got nothing. I got oxygen. I got hydrogen, that's what I can bring to the table because I never took calculus, or never did chemistry and so, it was such a pivotal thing. And my mother just for her, it was just being a mom. And, sort of seeing what her kid was good at and liked and quite frankly, wasn't as interested in and not as skilled in so, you know, it's amazing the sort of differing perceptions and perspectives of these events in one's life.
Randy Wilburn [5:47] And obviously it all worked out, right because now you got your architecture degree at CAU.
David Shove-Brown [5:55] Yes, I've got two degrees there. So I did five and a half years of school and a couple study of bronze and here I am.
Randy Wilburn [6:03] Here you are. I love that. You know, it's funny, Mark Zweig wrote an article just the other day, about one of the things that the design industry really needs to push for, and your story harkens me back to that article. And it's simply that we should be encouraging our kids, our young people to consider a career in the design industry, in the AEC space. So it's like, no longer just hoping that your kid, your son, or daughter comes to you and says, hey, Mom, hey, Dad, I want to be an architect or I want to be an engineer. It's maybe sharing with them all the different opportunities and potential that exists within the design industry for an individual to create a satisfying career that lasts a lifetime. David Shove-Brown [6:47] Absolutely. I had nobody in my family. I didn't know any architects when I was a kid. Nobody in the family was an architect. And so, this was a whole new thing, and then to see college classmates of mine go into all these different industries and all these different avenues from the design starting point were really fantastic. And so it's really cool to see how far all of these folks have gone and with such diversity. It's great.
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