205 - TZL - David Shove-Brown

particular house, and I've seen it before, has a tree in the middle of the entryway to the house, and it was built around it. When my cousins were growing up one of their friends actually lived in that house, their parents owned it, and it was quite interesting to see that and to see how there's really no disconnect between nature and really good design. The two just become one if it's done properly.

David Shove-Brown [10:11] One of my inspirations and I can actually say he's a good friend is Antoine Predock. And he has a great quote that he gave to me and some students, which is, ‘Architecture is nothing but landscape and drag.’ When he said that I was like, it is. It's that connection of inside and outside and sometimes the line between the two is very blurry, which I think is great.

Randy Wilburn [10:37] If I remember correctly, you connected with Antoine. He was over in Italy?

David Shove-Brown [10:43] I connected with him through a mutual friend and invited him to come to do a seminar with some students of mine in Italy. Such a cool dude, and have stayed in touch and really very inspirational with what he's done.

Randy Wilburn [10:58] Do you still teach at Catholic University right now?

David Shove-Brown [11:03] No, I mean, I'll go lecture and things like that on occasions but something had to give at some point. A few years ago, where it was just between the firm and between family and all of those things coming together. There are only so many hours in the day, and I had to pull away from teaching on a full-time basis.

Randy Wilburn [11:21] I understand that. There's nothing like giving back in that way because whenever you're molding the minds of the next generation, I mean, there are so many really great outcomes that come from that. So I can imagine that you may find yourself back in the confines of a classroom at some point in time in the future.

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