David Shove-Brown[20:22] For us, it's not a sort of free for all with unlimited PTO, you have to plan far enough in advance. We have to look at it and say, hey, you know what, as you're starting to go through that process of, you know, I think I want to take a vacation with my family in August, let me look at some dates. Part of that should not just be looking at airfare and looking at hotel rates, but also looking at the office calendar and going, oh, wait a minute, I've got two other people at my level out that same week, maybe look at the week after. And with that planning, quite frankly, it only helps you in the sense that if I know that I've got coverage when I'm not in the office, we make a point of saying that so and so is out this week. When Dave's traveling or I'm traveling, one of us will say, look, don't call, call me first and then let's try to figure out what the solution is. There's not a lot that can go completely sideways in a week, so getting somebody to have some time away for a week is really important. And so, if we've learned nothing in the last couple of years about mental health, physical health, what are we doing? So, before the pandemic, we had started Tuesdays and Thursdays doing office runs, and a bunch of us would just put on some running shoes and just go at various different lengths, and sometimes people would do yoga and so on. You realize that that hour away made the other time in the office more efficient. One, you were planning for it. You were saying, you know what, at four o'clock, or at lunchtime, or whatever, we're going to go for a run, I need to schedule my time to get my stuff done. But it also said, okay, I'm running in there with some people, and you can have conversations about work, or maybe not, but you're not getting interrupted with your phone or email or any of that stuff. So take that and then say, how do you progress it beyond an hour? How do you progress it to a long weekend or a week or two weeks, and really understand the benefit that it gives to you and to the office? So that was something that we really wanted to do and to bring to the workspace. The hybrid thing was sort of twofold as well. We figured it out, we had no choice, we had to figure it out. It wasn't like anybody said, you know what, we're going to be trendsetters, and we're going to work from home. That week I just remember disconnecting monitors and giving people computer monitors to take home and we're going well, I hope that our bandwidth can handle it, we haven't really tested it for this kind of thing. So we figured it out. We figured out how to be creative across the web and work and design in differing spaces. The other thing that it allowed us to do is to say, with a hybrid model of two days out of the office three days in the office, it gives people two days to really focus on their own stuff so that when they get to the office, you can focus on the teamwork, and being together and saying, okay, I know that we've got Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday to work together, figure out what we need to do so that Friday comes around, and then Monday comes back around, I can either clear out some of that stuff, or I can focus on planning for the next thing. And so, it's been a great thing for us that we've seen. And the other funny part about this is, even for a Monday, we've got a handful of people that are here because some of them are so sick of their apartments or their houses. My office in my house, I shared for about a minute and a half with my wife, who
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