the way through birth. Then be able and ready to check that child the minute that they're born. That's also okay. What a lot of doctors do is they overstep their boundaries because the minute that they're not adjusting and/or checking, and they move over to assisting in that birth process which does happen, then they're actually performing as a doula or a midwife, or a certain aspect of obstetrics. That is where they overreach on their scope of practice in most states and their insurance no matter who it is because we cover our doctors to take care of patients chiropractically but not to deliver babies. That's where the difference come in. You hit it right on in terms of the hospital. I wanted to just widen that approach as well. I want to ask you just really maybe one last topic, and it's something that I just came up. We've had a lot of calls from parents that have come into the doctor's office with the child, but the parents are divorced. Then all of a sudden, the mother is bringing in the child which is more common. The ex-husband, father, now gets an EOB from that doctor's office, starts questioning the mother and starts calling up the doctor's office all upset that the doctor is taking care of their patient. Have you dealt with any of that with the Pediatric Association and/or your own practice? Dr. Apfelblat: I haven't dealt with that personally. In Michigan, I believe that the law is that you have to have parental consent from one parent. As long as one parent has signed the parental consent form, I don't believe there's any issue of adjusting that child. Dr. Hoffman: You're right. That's what I was hoping and expecting you to share with us. I just want to add into that though because from a risk management point of view, these are things that do show up for us. One of the things that the doctors on this show need to also understand is always check your own state board to see what the rules and the regulations are. Most boards are not so user friendly to tell you an exact answer to your question, but I find that when you ask the board, when you call them, "Where can I find the rule and regulation that may have been put forth from the board on the website?" They can sometimes steer you to that and save you from spinning all your wheels trying to find answer. What I get in terms of some of these calls is that the husband now threatens the doctor. "You didn't have permission to see my child." Well, you can send them all of the material, all the signatures you want, but, in this day and age, it doesn't prevent the disgruntled father from going on the licensing board website making a complaint that he didn't want his child taken care of. Even though that happens, you also
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