back in the day. I know it's different now; you get the judges kit with everything, which is a better way to do it. Anyhow, Breeder Steve was sampling all this stuff. He was pretty dis- mal. He didn't like any of it. I had just gotten my seed collection back. I was taking it over to Dutch Passion. We were at a meeting up in the Dutch Passion office, and afterwards went to the Mother's Smoke Shop up the street. And again, this was ‘96, man. They didn't vape. The vaporizer was a paint stripper that fit in a thing in the wall and you just hit a button. It was up above the bong to make it do its thing. Anyway, when I sent my seed over to Eu- rope, I sent it in the bud, a bunch of it and just sealed it up, because I figured, you know, this is the only way I can verify for sure that this is what I sent over when I see the bud. So I had a bunch, and it had the seed in it, and we were there with Breeder Steve and I broke that out and we crunched up the buds. He rolled some joints out of it. He smoked the joint and he just looks at me. He goes, "This is the best damn thing I’ve smoked this whole cup." So then Flo won the Cannabis Culture Cup in ‘96. She's special and it cuts through everything. It's like you're being drunk or whatever, you know, any other heavy indica you're on, man. You just boom – and you're right back to that happy place again. I call it ringing the bell. It rings the bell like that. MICAH: Dude, it is special stuff. You could just absolutely recognize it immediately when the jar popped. DJ: That was the Nepalese temple hash, I called it. Oh, it had a nice hat. And she was a one in a million plant. She was one of those who presented herself back that year. I had the clone going for her. She cloned really well, too. Very sativa characteristics. Lanky. She would branch out everywhere. I could trail her 20, 30 feet in the yard if I wanted to. But she finished in seven weeks and that high … she's still going and still at it. She's a little weak these days, she's the one that takes the most attention and needs the most care. So we're hoping to get her through the tissue culture phase and bring her back to her glory. NATHAN: Is there something special about 1998, because there's also the pre-98 Bubba Kush too... DJ: I think I inadvertently started that be- cause I said back in the day, like five years after the fact anyhow, “It's been the same
mother and father since 1998.” That got pub- lished in articles, was on panels and forums, so the year ‘98 I think was put in people's minds. But you know for my stuff, pre-98, there was much more diversity. There were more sativa-leaning things in the Blueberry be- cause I was using multiple mothers and a cou- ple different fathers. The seeds all passed the muster. They did what they were supposed to do. But like I said, my goal and it worked out well. I watched that go out into the world and then got these independent [reviews], you know, no one that's related to me. These are people posting this stuff on the forums on- line about what successes they were having with this and what their preferences were. And so I could kind of glean through that and that's where I picked finally the one mother and the one father to use for both the Blue- berry and the Flo. NATHAN: To use that method for market re- search is mind-blowing. DJ: Well, before that it was like going to par- ties, right? You bring a couple different jars or you just bring one thing to test. You pass it around at the party and see what happens. If the party happens, that one’s working. I used to have friends in a band and I would go hang out. It was the Outtakes in Eugene, and a couple different bands. I partied with Black Flag and the Meat Puppets and all kinds of people sampled this herb. And I would ex- periment. I'd break something out, and the joint would go around, and then I would see how that next set went. NATHAN: That is so amazing Dude. “Well, the second set was way better, so I know that influence." DJ: Always better, but how much better and where did they go to, relative go up, did it go down, you know... MICAH: Do you have hopes for descheduling? DJ: I've said this over and over again, to all sorts of authority figures as well: This is the safest substance known to human beings. It is the only substance we know of that you cannot put enough of it in your system to harm yourself. Right? You can drink enough water to kill yourself. That's a known fact. But cannabis can’t… and it's due to the ine- briation… And it's the inebriation that makes that "other team" paranoid. ey can't handle their own consciousness. So they're not going to let us have ours.
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