Cherise Lakeside: A perfect example is just a few months ago when I spoke at the AIA Florida conference. So it's all of the architects in the state of Florida. And I had to walk into this big room full of a lot of people, and I literally did not know anybody. Well, there were a few people I was connected to, but I didn't know anybody. There was no comfort zone. There was no security blanket in that room. But it was. It turned out great. So, yeah, and I know that. And I don't speak about anything I can't speak comprehensively to. I don't talk about things I don't know anything about. That's really, important. Randy Wilburn: Yeah, that's because there's a lot of people that do go out and figure, oh, well, I'm a good communicator and a good speaker. I'll just riff on any subject that doesn't always end well. I don't think so. Cherise Lakeside: But, especially in my business, do not walk into a room full of architects or engineers and not know what you're talking about, because they will tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. Randy Wilburn: Well, I always ran into. Well, I didn't run into that, but I was always mindful of it in the years that I did training for Zweig Group because I knew that I was training a bunch of design professionals, a bunch of engineers and architects, of which I am not one. When I talked about leadership, I leaned into the concept of leadership which is something that we can all gravitate towards. Wasn't so much. So, yeah, of course, how can an architect be a leader? How can an engineer be a leader? In the same way that a businessman can be a leader or fill in the blank another profession can be. It can operate with a level of leadership. And I just think it's important for us to kind of be, as Shakespeare said, to thine own self be true. You have to be you. And I, typically when you are you, the good stuff will come out. Right? And I think that's kind of what we've been experiencing through your process on the detailed podcast and the few episodes that I've had. The. The joy to listen to witness you record the podcast at the AAA convention this past June in Washington, D.C. As of the time of recording this. First of all, you look like a natural. You sound like a natural, and you look super, super comfortable just having really cool conversations. And I'd be curious to know, when did you feel like you hit your groove with the detailed podcast? And what is it about that podcast that really resonates for you? Cherise Lakeside: I don't know if I've hit my curve yet. I mean, after a hundred episodes, I always think things can be better.
Randy Wilburn: Yeah.
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