Randy Wilburn [25:02] You use the S word. I love that. You want to be a good steward and that manifests itself in so many different ways within successful organizations. And so I think that's like the mindset that individuals in the design industry space have to have or in any business for that matter that wants to be successful. You have to be the stewards of your time, over the talent that surrounds you, over the capabilities that your organization offers. I think it's really important and going through a strong project management training program can put you on that path to success. And I'd be curious to know as we wind this up because this is a good conversation. And as I told you, before, I set it in advance, and for the audience, just in case, you're wondering, I already told Justin that I'm bringing him back on for another deep dive into this conversation. Because I don't think that project management should just have one podcast episode assigned to it or focused on the topic. The subject matter is so rich that you could have a whole podcast on project management. And so, that's an idea too, but the bottom line is we're going to talk more about this because we want everyone that's listening to this podcast to see themselves in this process as they figure out and determine what type of training would be most efficient and effective for their organization. We’re definitely got to spend some more time talking about it, I guess that’s what I'm saying. You've walked us through the different formats and the ways that you're doing it, if somebody's listening to this right now and is like, you know what, I got to move this thing forward and I got to determine what's going to be the best way for us to do project management training, how would somebody go about making that determination or decision outside of just talking to you? Justin Smith [27:04] Sure. So I think the first step is really looking at the problem that you're trying to solve. Because if the problem that you're trying to solve is we've got a really good internal process that works really well for people that once they get a little bit of experience, but really, what we need is a way to rapidly upskill less experienced staff, just getting some basic management and leadership skills, probably a great first step. If you're an organization that is on a growth trajectory and you're looking for a way to establish a program that will deliver consistency to your clients across maybe your geographic areas and it will serve as a great onboarding tool for bringing people into your organization and saying, this is what it means to manage a project here, then something custom is a great way to go because we're going to do a lot of the legwork of building that for you but it's eventually going to be yours and it's going to serve as your firm's way of introducing people into project management. But I think you've got two ends of the spectrum. You've got firms that have highly developed robust processes that work well and they just need to upskill some of their less experienced staff. The content that we cover in the open enrolment when we bring it in-house to you, there's going to be a lot of
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